Welcome back to another enriching episode of the Calmoura Tarot Podcast. Today, we're delving deep into the realms of emotional and financial abundance with our incredible guest, Tess Traynor from @Spellbindingg. Tess shares her transformative journey using EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) to overcome anxiety and feelings of unworthiness, demonstrating its power and spiritual depth. Alongside host Yulia, creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck, they explore the significance of meditation, shadow work, and breath work in nurturing one's spiritual and entrepreneurial endeavors.

In this episode, Tess discusses her unique oracle deck, "The Little Deck of Darkness" her experience with meditation, and the essential daily rituals that keep her grounded and balanced. We'll also look at how tarot and shadow work can uncover and heal subconscious fears around scarcity and worthiness, vital for both emotional and financial prosperity. Whether you're an entrepreneur looking to integrate spirituality into your business or someone seeking emotional peace, this episode is packed with insights to help you lead a more abundant life. Join us as we journey through healing, intuition, and holistic prosperity.

Highlights

• 00:00 - Introduction
• 01:36 - Meeting Tess Traynor  
• 02:28 - Tess's Entrepreneurial Journey 
• 07:28 - Deep Meditative Practices 
• 10:26 - Self-Care in Meditation 
• 13:06 - Overcoming Fear for Growth 
• 15:47 - Creation of the Oracle Deck 
• 17:35 - Shadow Work and Healing 
• 22:01 - Overcoming Fear and Self-Worth 
• 24:09 - Practical Application of Tarot Cards 
• 29:46 - Breath-work Techniques 
• 34:43 - Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) 

Full Transcript:

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Just a lot. It made me eventually hate what I was doing because I was so exhausted from everything. And that made me look at running a business differently and want to figure out how can you run a business long term and still heal yourself and still ground yourself and not end up hate what you're doing because you're just so exhausted by the experience. It's put into their mind as a child and when they're working towards their business goals and everything, they still have that fear in them of they're not going to be able to make enough, they don't have enough income, they can't pay their bills. What are they going to do? What if their business fails? I like to have a little daily ritual or have people create a daily ritual that they can follow no matter what's going on in their life or business that will take time for themselves out of each day. So it's like pulling a card if you're into that, meditating for like five minutes every morning, doing yoga, like finding a practice that works for you, that's realistic. Doing some breath work when you feel overwhelmed and stressed in your business and, like, the pressure is getting to you.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Hello, beautiful soul. So here I am today, your host, Julia, and we have a very beautiful soul today. Her name is Tess Treynor and she is a very talented tarot reader, quite aspiring tarot reader. She is a spiritual and entrepreneurial teacher. So she has something to tell you about how to ground yourself when you find yourself in such a situation that you want to increase your income. Today, if you just moved from nine to five to being like your own self reliant guru. So let's get started. Tess, I'm so, so excited to see you today.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I was really inspired by your social media and I, I really got interested into your entrepreneurial spiritual teaching. Could you please let us know a bit more? How did it get started? How did your even spiritual entrepreneurial journey start?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I am so excited to talk with you. But my journey started when I started my own business about seven years ago, and it was a product based business. So I was like any other person that had started a business or a side hustle at the time. And I was just constantly trying to make more products, like figure out what was going to sell, focusing only on money, really. And, like, constantly feeling like I had to post, I had to do the next market, I had to get into retail, I had to make it work no matter what. And just burning myself out because I was burning the candle at both ends. And it was just a lot.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
It made me eventually hate what I was doing because I was so exhausted from everything. And that made me look at running a business differently and want to figure out how can you run a business long term and still heal yourself and still ground yourself and not end up hate what you're doing because you're just so exhausted by the experience?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Oh, yeah. It's actually quite an interesting topic because I believe so that I went through the same I, when I started, like, my business on my own. It was exactly the same thing what you are talking about, I believe so that we are going here as women through some other kind of, like, knowledge, how we start that thing, like the side hustle, which you called but business, right? That self reliance practice, not like working nine to five, but how do we start that one thing which we always were aspiring just to start? How do we do it in a very grounded, nurturing, self nurturing way. So I understand looking at you that you actually teach it how to do it. So could you please elaborate here maybe a few tips, part of your framework, how to nurture, how to ground yourself, maybe like step by step for those who are listening here and who just started or who are thinking to start and really afraid to start, you know, so that they could bridge it to that happy land where you are today.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yeah, I like to have, like, a little daily ritual or have people create a daily ritual that they can follow no matter what's going on in their life or business that will take time for themselves out of each day. So it's like pulling a card if you're into that. Meditating for, like five minutes every morning, doing yoga, like, finding a practice that works for you, that's realistic. Doing some breath work when you feel overwhelmed and stressed in your business and, like, the pressure is getting to you. Like, to me, breath work helps so much with relieving stress, and that's, like, a really powerful tool that people overlook a lot. So I think that's something you can utilize, like, constantly throughout your day. But in the mornings, just like, having a spiritual practice can help ground you even more. So I like to get up and do yoga.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
I like to meditate for, like, five to ten minutes every morning and just, like, helps me feel even more refreshed and even more grounded. And then if you need other things throughout your day, like, I also love using oils, like essential oils and ritual oils throughout my day, and that helps me stay grounded. But every person has their own unique thing that will help them. Like, maybe a spray, maybe lighting a candle at the end of the day. But just so your whole life isn't. Go, go, go. Your whole life isn't focused on, like, hustle culture.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes, I totally agree on that. Just a second. I will charge my computer. Just one small second. And don't worry about that. This all will be cut out.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Okay.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
All right. So you mentioned this meditation practice, which you are currently doing. How long you've been practicing it?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Probably for the past two years. It's something. Meditation is something that I found really hard to get into because, like, just sitting there and not doing anything is really difficult for me, especially, like, being an entrepreneur. I'm used to, like, constantly thinking of new ideas, constantly, like, trying to do something new. Always, like. Like I said, go, go, go. And so just, like, sitting still, like, yoga is different where you're, like, actually focusing on something, but just sitting still was something that I really had to work towards. So for the past two years, it's been a lot easier.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
But also for the past two years, I've been out of that mindset as well.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yeah, yeah. I totally agree with that because I am into deep meditative practices already for a few years. So I know that you kind of, like, when you start it, there is such interesting process there when you may go too down or you may go up and down, up and down, because you kind of, like, open yourself up to something deeper on some level. Like, in my experience, it was fear. You know, I went too deep. And when I started seeing something, like, all the, how to say, faces of mine in my astral body, so. And when I was not truly prepared for that, I was not educated by anyone. There was no guru for me who was really taking my hand.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So it was scary process. Really scary. So I don't know how it works for you. Can you maybe share a bit? Because maybe I could relate also examples from my life, because let me give you a perspective. Like, I started meditation like this. I couldn't see it. I couldn't see it. It's just like, you remember eat, pray, love.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
How that main heroine there, what was the name of that actress? She's Julia Roberts, right? So she was sitting there and she couldn't sit still, you know, while all around her were meditating. So that was my start. And I'm always interested in people who are meditating deeply. How did they start, like, integrating it, this practice into their life and meditating more and more and actually sit still. So can you please share.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
For me, when I first started, I, like, you know, would sit still and breathe and everything. And I would think, like, okay, it's been five minutes, and it was like 5 seconds. And that was hard for me because I was like, how am I supposed to do this for so much longer? Like, I think, you know, I've done it for long enough. Like, I've closed my eyes, I've breathed, and I've, like, sat still, and there's nothing else to do. So it was hard for me to just, like, get to that point where you just, like, stay in that place. And then for me, after, like, breathing and focusing on that and meditating, I would feel like, like lighter, I guess, is a way, like, I would feel lighter and then almost like a brighter energy or like a brighter light eventually, like, if I didn't long enough, and I if I continue to do it.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So basically the persistence matters. So you have to really do that self effort, right? Do I hear it?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yes. And, like, also I think it helped me intuitively, like, just to connect to my intuition, with readings, with general everyday things. So, like, the more I did it, the more I felt connected. And I've heard that a lot from, like, mediums and stuff like that. Meditating is what opened them up to, like, their gifts or what gave them the sign that maybe there's something more going on. So I think it is a very powerful tool and it can open up a lot of things for different people. But like you said, I also think you have to be in the right space and, like, know that it's okay to take breaks. I don't think you need to force yourself to sit there for ten minutes if you're not feeling it.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Like, it's okay to only do it for a few seconds.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes, yes. Because in effect, in this reality, every time when we enforce something, right, too much enforcement, there will be pushed back. So there will be push back from whichever direction. And that is a really interesting understanding which will. Will come up to. So whenever we do such types of things with ourselves, we start respecting ourselves, right? Not pushing too much, like self effort, but if we push too much, it's already resembling some kind of rape, right? So it's when we have love affair, it is beautiful. But the same love affair with enforcement, it's already called rape here, right?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Right.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So if we want to just love, really love life, we want to start that love from within, right. So what you say is really synchronous, synchronizing with my experience, actually, because I had to experience, like, lots of self effort. But that self effort was not like, hey, like my husband, for example. Like, guys, they need help. You know, they need help. I don't know. You are married or not. You're in relationship.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
No, not in a relationship.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So. But anyway, you definitely have some guy in your life. I mean, like either father, brother or whoever, right? So do you see, like, they are more strict in their practices? Like, did you notice that whatever decide to do, guys, they are more strict. Like they have rules. Like, more in that direction. Like when I observe, like, my husband from the side, I'm always fascinated. Here's more, that strict mind, you know, my mind is more like flexible in between the worlds, like your mind, like, as every woman's mind here is much more flexible. All right.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So it's really giving us tremendous power. So coming back to understanding this tremendous power of our flexible mind, probably you have some secret there, I think, which allowed you just utilizing that flexibility plasticity of your mind and body to find your way in how to ground yourself properly in your spiritual entrepreneurship. Right? Is that correct?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was. I think just realizing, like, this isn't working for me and there has to be another way. And kind of talking about that fear of, like, fear, it can be a good thing. I think a lot of times people let fear hold them back. So with business, they can be afraid of making a change because there's fear of people judging them, it not working out. Just so many reasons people might be afraid to do a complete 180.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
And I felt that way myself, but I was also like, I need to. I need to change something, you know, because this isn't working. And I need to better my own life and my health in general. So I just made that jump. And to me, being able to see, like, when it's okay to not let fear stop you and to pivot or to take a step back from your business and evaluate what is actually working and what isn't working or if it's even worth it. If you are becoming unhealthy because of what you're doing and then reevaluate what you can let go of and what you should keep in your life, I think that is a way of thinking that more people need to come in contact with because so many people are just stuck in the mode of failure is not an option.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
This is really a really, really interesting thing, what you mentioned here, because it's like reminding me, keeping that delicate balance, you know, knowing when to push through, but at the same time, knowing when to let go, knowing when to step back, give yourself that space, work with your shadows. Right. I know you are really powerful in that. By the way, guys, she created an interesting deck. The name of it is a Little Deck of Darkness. I will just put you down also in the comments that link to all her beautiful things. And one of that is this interesting deck. Could you please elaborate more? Why did you create it and what inspired you for that specific deck? What did you try to explore with it?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yes, so I created the deck. Um, just kind of like it happened because of an accident, almost like I, my friend created her own deck. And then we were working on creating a deck together, um, which was supposed to be almost like a comedic deck. And then she pulled out last minute. But I was already, like, turning, like, committed to creating a deck. So I was like, I have to create a deck. Cause I'm, like, in this mindset now and I'm gonna do it no matter what. And I just love this idea of having cards represent something, but the meaning be something like, deeper than what the cards were.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
And so I was thinking, like, wouldn't it be cool to have a deck of monsters? Because all oracle decks for the most part are very like angel numbers, unicorns, light, fun little decks, but none of them are very like the opposite, where they're darker, where they're more foreshadow work, where they're, you know, a different perspective on it. Like, tarot has both, like, dualities, but oracle cards don't really have that. So that was the original idea behind it was like, I want to create a completely different oracle deck and something that I can really resonate with, not so much like the angel numbers and things like that, because those oracle decks have never been something that I've been drawn to. So I decided to do that and I found this really amazing artist who created the designs. And my idea was making, like, all female portraits, but then they were, like, monster themed.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yeah, that is very, very interesting deck, I would say. And those of you who are doing serious shadow work, I would recommend just going and visiting her website there and probably just do you, do you give some consultations around the shadow work, by the way?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
I do offer, like, spiritual coaching as well as the business coaching, or they can go hand in hand. So that would be included with that. I also, like, offer readings. If someone just wants to do that and talk more about their reading and their shadow side within that, like, we can use the deck and everything. I also post about it a lot on my social media, my instagram, specifically about your shadow side and healing and things like that because I think it's very important. Like you can't in general do anything in life. If you aren't acknowledging your past or your traumas and healing that. Because it's eventually going to come up at some point in your life.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
And if you want to be abundant, like emotionally abundant, financially abundant, you have to be a whole person and be like really in love with who you are. Otherwise how else are you supposed to get all these things that you want in your life?

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So true. That is so true. Because honestly, like let's get back to physics, right? So many today in the biohacking world. I don't know how deep you are there, but my husband is a deep biohacker, you know. So I know this world and I'm with him there. But that's an interesting community, you know. And they all take supplements. Supplements like some kind of stuff or.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I don't know, just doing some kind of intrusions to the body. Some peptides. That's the last thing which is very fashionable today, for example. But what is interesting is I don't hear too much talks like about the topic of cleanse. You know. So we have to acknowledge our shadows. So let's say I cleanse. I really take care about cleansing my body.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Doing regular, you know, boring stuff, which nobody wants to do to cleanse myself. And this is like ugly stuff. Meeting your shadows is reminding me exactly the same thing. If we go like back to the physiology of our body, right? We need to cleanse first the tube and then the transformation naturally starts happening. And then we can actually stabilize our system. We can start maybe seeing that all those dreams which we had before, maybe they were not really our dreams. We now centered ourselves. We met our shadows, right? And I think exactly your deck is a very interesting, interesting tool for that specific practice.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yeah. I also think the shadow side, like can help with money wounds and things like that. That people talk about. Because you might not even realize what your money wound is or what your issue is around that. Until you start looking at the past and looking at like your shadow side. And it can help you heal a lot of those aspects too.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Can you give maybe some examples around that so that we could understand it? Because people have stories. So maybe you can have like something from the inventory of your stories. I know you consult lots of people. Maybe some kind of story, which is really fascinating, showing in a fascinating way that transformation that the person had specific story around money. But then you helped like to unravel like certain problems there. And then the transformation happening. So that we could see it in example?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yeah. Like, someone coming to me and always working hard or, like, wondering why their business isn't taking off. And if you do their shadow work or they do their shadow work, then it comes up that they grew up, like, always worried about money, or their family was always worried about money, and they grew up hearing their parents always talking about the bills and not having enough, and how are they gonna afford to, like, pay for groceries or pay for that? And, like, subconsciously, that gets put into their mind as a child. And when they're working towards their business goals and everything, they still have that fear in them of they're not going to be able to make enough. They don't have enough income. They can't pay their bills. What are they going to do? What if their business fails? Like, and all of this fear around not having enough, which is preventing them from even getting anything in the first place because they have all these blocks in the way to say, like, I am enough and I am worthy of getting all of these things and I am worthy of abundance in the first place.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
That's a really, really fascinating story because it's demonstrating, in fact, the affirmation how to balance your first chakra. Right? So I am enough. I am enough. And then I can balance everything in my space around that feeling of enough, that sensation that I am enough. Because it doesn't matter how much you earn him, guys, if you have holes in your pockets, right? So it just doesn't matter. You have to have that, I don't know, the basket or whatever it is, there shouldn't be any holes there, right? It should be whole by itself. It's quite interesting what you mentioned. So I believe that you use cards in your practice, right? So, I mean, how do you open up all those beliefs about, let's say, your specific case feeling of not enough to you are, uh, do you ask cards, like, specific questions in your readings?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Uh, do you mean, like, how do I combine?

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Combine, yes. So let's say the. The person came to you for that type of help. And clearly, uh, it seems like you use tarot cards, right? And tarot cards is part of your spiritual help, like, and it seems like you use everything in a combination. So I am wondering, just because we are here, tarot community, how do you use tarot cards? Maybe you are specific questions guiding a person. Right? So that our audience here could maybe use the same thing.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yes. I think tarot cards are a great way to kind of just open up the dialogue also. So if someone comes in, they're like, you know, I don't really know what the issue is, but, like, I'm. My business isn't moving forward or something along those lines. Like, I could do a card pull for, like, desire obstacle solution or something along those lines just to kind of see what the obstacle is and then continue pulling on the obstacle until we get more clarity on what the true, like, underlying cause is. I also like doing celtic cross readings if there's no, like, I have no idea what's going on in my life type, like, vibe with that person, and then that opens it up to, like, this is the major theme right now and the major concern, and then we can talk about that, and that creates a good dialogue to start with the issue, and then we usually can continue talking about the issue from there and kind of, like. Like, pull the thread, so to speak, and, like, start unraveling where it all stems from.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So, basically deeper. Going deeper with one card pull. Yes.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
What? Like, I like to do three card pulls if there's a certain question. Like I said, like, the desire obstacle solution is a good three card pull, or I'll do a celtic cross spread if there's no specific question, and then I'll just. We'll just continue having a dialogue about the reading and what is coming up with the. With the. I can't think of the word right now with. With the issue and what the issue is and the underlying obstacle for them.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So, let's say you've done these desire obstacle solutions. We three card pull, right? And then you do these celtic cross. And. But my question is, you said that you do afterwards that digging. Digging into the issue. So you dig it through which types of questions and how you do it. You. You kind of, like, I want to understand the question which you ask, and I want to understand, is it, like, what cat pool after that to figure out that obstacle? You know, that's.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Because that's very interesting. I want to hear the technology there because I'm pretty sure the guys, they really, really would benefit everyone from this so that they could maybe start practicing it.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yeah, I do one card pulls for that, like, the obstacle. And I usually just, like, this might not be the most normal way of reading, but, like, a lot of times I'll do a one card pull, like, what's the main obstacle? And then continue pulling, clarifying cards to get more of an understanding of what's going on. Does that make sense?

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yeah. Yeah. Can you give more examples of those questions which dig deeper to the obstacle?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Like, what is the current obstacle? What is causing this obstacle? Is there an underlying subconscious thought that is the main cause, or is there an underlying subconscious thought that is the cause of this obstacle? And then we could also do, like, how long has this obstacle been an issue for this person? And how long has this obstacle, like, caused this situation for this person and things like that? It just depends on the actual situation.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yeah. I just wanted to know specifically, how can they start? So this is a really good framework which you gave here. And especially I loved the question about the time because, you know, I've been starting a lot this unraveling all about the subconscious. And basically, we can release ourselves from all the memories which are conscious very easily. But the real problem comes down to that point when there is that threshold when, you know, we got born and up to a moment, let's say one, two years, we still don't remember anything. And we are still like sponges. We accumulated everything around and even in the womb of our mother and how the world accepted ours and we don't remember, but we were those sponges. It's very unfair.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Right? So. And we kind of, like, driven today by all this stuff which we accumulated by all this garbage, you know? So that thing which you mentioned here about timing and the fact that cards can help us with this is really powerful. So, guys, listen, what she mentioned is powerful. It means with the cards, you can literally retrieve from your subconsciousness those beliefs and the timing. And the more you bring it to the light. To the light, right. The more you bring it to the light, the more you actually cite your demons.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Right.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So it's very powerful. Thank you for that. I think I will do it myself today because I just feel, like, fascinated about this every time when I learn something new, you know, I am fascinated. There is always the space to unpeel the onion. You know? To unpeel the onion. Right. You know, I'm quite interested in your breath techniques. You mentioned that one of the grounding techniques which you are using, it's all about breath in the morning.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So can you please elaborate a bit more on this topic? I mean, which kind of breath work you are doing and what helps you specifically, just to centralize yourself?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
I believe so, yeah. I really just like doing basic ones where it's like, you inhale for three, you exhale for three, or you inhale for three, you hold it for three, exhale for three. I like doing those because you can do them anywhere. And it's not something weird that people are going to be like, what are you doing? You know, like, some of them are like, where you, like, pump your abdomen and then like exhale and you hold it. Or do like the fire breathing, like, obviously you're not going to do that in public, so those ones are fun too. But I personally like doing just the basic like, breath work where you're like counting, holding it and exhaling and focusing on your breath, because you can do that anywhere and it works really well.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes. This is really interesting when you do it. Three, three, three. Let me challenge you. I love challenging people as well. So try maybe in one of your practices in the morning, the following technique. When you breathe in three on three heartbeats. And then you stop.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Let me just remember how I do it. Yes. Breathe in three. Breathe out six heartbeats. Stop for nine. Challenging, I tell you. But once you do one, it's not for everyone. It's not.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Again, guys, it's not for everyone. If you experience the problems with your breath, don't do it. It's for those who are already more experienced and are willing to do it. Now, what you can do, maybe do one, breathe in three, breathe out six, you know, the sequence matters and that thing that once. Right? So three, six, nine. So it's very important. So, and then when you do 369, if your breath. If your breath is like, you don't have any physical problems.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Again, guys, I am not a doctor. I really just this claim here that it's only for your responsibility, but that's what I am doing and it's something to experience if you are really know your body. So it's a bit for a more experienced guys in this perspective. So when you want to go deeper, because once we stop our breath after we like breathed out, we kind of give to the world more six breaths. We now can hear God literally universe in that silence. So. But again, if you have some breath issues, don't be. Okay? So most important, just slow down your breath.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
But I see you are really vibrant, young lady, so maybe it could be a beautiful thing to experience.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Yes, I'll have to try it.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yeah, I would be interested to hear how, how it will go. I do it usually seven times, but sometimes it gets so pumped up. So it may go longer, but sometimes is enough. Now, what you mentioned about fire breath, it is really powerful. It's basically when you do it right. So it has some other name, holotropic breath? I believe so. So I remember it was so widespread in Sedona. By the way, this girl is from Arizona, Phoenix.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Okay, so she's in a powerful spot. So in Sedona, they have lots of holotropic breath works. And there was some fire guy there. I forgot his name. So he's having some kind of a temple even there. Like, his house is like a temple, and he is doing such kind of breath works there with holographic breath work. But there are also lots of those individual practitioners in Sedona, which are really powerful, powerful in that holotropic breath work. I would really recommend holotrophic breath work for people with traumas.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Now, if you have deep anxiety from childhood, OCD, depression, I don't know, this type of stuff you went through maybe some raping experience even, who knows? Even psychological raping, you know, whatever it is, you don't want to talk about it. You want to just in some sense be very kind to yourself. Go to group things, be kind. Find individual person, certified, licensed one who can help you open it up there. And then what happened to me, I had a really brutal childhood from the perspective of, like, my mom didn't know how to handle me. She had brutal childhood herself. So she's a beautiful woman, but she didn't know how to bring me up. So my father was an alcoholic, so you can imagine what was in my family.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I couldn't release it. I went through fire breath. So with individual eye, individual trainer from sedona. Nice woman. I don't remember her name, but anyway, certified whom you like would be really amazing. And she helped me so much. Can't imagine I felt like a different person after that. I was just like, where is this? It was one time, then I got hooked.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I wanted to do twice. The second time was not the same. So again, anything works well for any kind of stage. Eft. Are you aware of EFT? Emotional freedom to connect? Yeah. Do you use it?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
I used to use it a lot more, but I have in the past. Yeah.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So in which case, does Eft help you?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
I think to get over, kind of, like, what I was talking about with that story is, like, get over feeling, like, worthy and stuff. Like, you know, you can do, like, the whole, I am worthy of love, I am worthy of abundance and things like that. So that is what I mostly used it for, was just, like, getting over that aspect for myself. And, yeah, when I also, like, had anxiety and things, like, I think the chest, like doing the tapping on your chest helps a lot. When you're feeling anxiety or a lot of stress, that can help a lot.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Can you demonstrate it for us here? How did it help you when you had that anxiety, like, that panic attack and when your chest is, like, cracking from inside that feeling, like your heart is just like squeezed. Right. So I just want to understand which kind of thing can actually help because it seems like you went through it and it helped you.

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
So if I was just doing it on my chest, like I use like two fingers and then I would just do under my collarbone, sort of like just like tap it like that. Yeah.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Did you say along the way?

Tess from @Spellbindingg :
Um. I would say like, I. I'm worthy of love, I'm worthy of abundance and just kind of repeat it. Like I would say it in my head or I would say it out loud. It would just depend. And then I would do it like about ten times and then stop. Or if I was just doing it like, to do it not because of anxiety or something, I would start like at my head and like do it here with my hands and then like go down to my temples and do it with two fingers and then start, then do the chest and then do like my hands, each hand and do it like ten times throughout.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I always had this, which was really powerful for me. And then this. I don't know why. Yeah, yeah. But guys, if you are not aware what is Eft, I would strongly recommend you to just not do it on your own. Don't read blogs. Try to find a certified practitioner in that area and try to learn it with them together. Especially if it's a spiritual teacher at the same time.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I remember I had a girl. She was really, really powerful in that if I find her contact, I would share it here. With her permission, of course. Her name was Luisa and she was amazing. She helped me a lot. She was really powerful. But anyway, if I would not have her permission. Find your practitioner really figured out how Eft is powerful if you do it consistently.

Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
But eft words like you mentioned, like somehow it doesn't go too deep into the core, but you can deal with dealing, let's say anxiety out of the blue. You can calm you down. It's just like that. Self helper, immediate one. Let's say you are somewhere on the meeting. You need to do some negotiations.