In this transformative podcast episode with 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐑𝐨𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧, we dive deep into self-love, healing, and reclaiming our worth. 𝐓𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐠𝐞𝐫 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠: Sensitive topics around trauma, boundaries, and self-worth are discussed. Please take care of yourself and feel free to pause or stop watching if needed. Your well-being is our priority. If you’re ready to embrace your true worth, tap into a space of inner peace, and let go of what no longer serves you, this conversation offers guidance, compassion, and support. Remember, healing is a journey, and it’s okay to take things at your own pace.
Highlights
- 0:00 - Introduction
- 1:11 - Who is Christine Rogerson?
- 2:26 – What is an Evidential Medium?
- 4:33 - Glimpses of the Past: Connecting with Spirit Guides
- 12:09 - Self-Love Journey, Familial Connections, and Healing Generational Trauma
- 24:14 - The Importance of Forgiveness in Healing
- 27:52 – Exploring Deeper Connections Through Personal Experience
- 31:07 – Mind Transformation Through the Power of Breath
- 36:00 – Tarot as a Tool for Inner Guidance
- 48:02 – Coming Back to Self-Love
Full Transcript:
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Hello, beautiful souls. So here I am, Yulia, today, your host. And I want you to welcome, warmly welcome. Christine Rogerson. She's international medium, and she knows a thing or two, really, about how to deal with your traumas and how not just to get rid of your adhd, but how to learn, live with it. Can you imagine? We just had a talk behind the scenes, and she really blew my mind. She blew my mind by saying, Yulia, you can live with this. So, Christine, welcome to the show.
Christine Rogerson:
Thank you. Thank you.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So before we get started, I would love you to introduce yourself more, because I can say, like Athena, too, about you, but the best introduction is coming from the authority.
Christine Rogerson:
Thank you. Thank you very much for the lovely introduction. I am an international evidential medium, which means I prefer to go direct to spirit versus psychically connecting. I read animals and people that are in spirit. I also connect with past lives, and I'm a spiritual life coach as well as I teach mediumship on a worldwide platform. Mm.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So you say you are an evidential medium. Could you elaborate a bit more about that? You said that the difference is that you go directly to spirit and not through psych. Psychic connection. So I would love to dig more into that.
Christine Rogerson:
We all have the ability to be psychic. We all have that inner knowing that guides us, you know, that gut feeling that sometimes we listen to it and sometimes we don't. With evidential mediumship, I. I have learned the mechanic of dropping my brain waves below 13 hertz on a dime so that I can go direct to spirit. Whereas psychics usually will connect to a loved one through you because we carry them in our. In our essence. And sometimes they will drop down below 13Hz and get a little nugget and give it to you whereas an evidential medium, they give us signs, symbols, imagery that we interpret and I just give to you to validate. So all I want you to say is, yes.
Christine Rogerson:
No, I don't know. I don't. I'm not asking you is your mother in spirit? I'm telling you I have a woman stepping forward and she feels very motherly. You'd understand that. And that's the difference that sets us apart between psychic and an evidential mediumship. My goal is to prove life after life and connect you with a memory or moments that you know that your loved one is with me.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Did you have the glimpses like that yourself? Do like, I mean, like, I see that your goal to connect the life after life. And I just, not so long ago, I was on this show with Greg Braden and they were just like talking a lot about connecting life after life as well there. So I. And they recommended a lot of tools there how to do that. So I just always, I'm very curious every time when I talk to medium, so. Or to psychic people from that perspective who had that connection. Just like, did you get that glimpse and how was that?
Christine Rogerson:
So I have a really strong belief system. I've been connected with my, my team, my spirit guides for over 30 years. And I became a Reiki master and, you know, delved into crystal healing for personal reasons. And I always had a knowing. Like it's the same thing with the past lives. Ever since I was five, I've always had a knowing when I've had a reference to a past life. So we have, we're a soul that's that agreed to have this experience. When we connect with our loved ones, they give us a thought, a random, weird thought, and that's how they're communicating.
Christine Rogerson:
But when you don't understand the dynamic behind it, that's when we talk ourselves out of it and we think, you know, it's me, I'm doing that. It's not them. How could it be them, but it is them.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
When was the first time when you get that connection?
Christine Rogerson:
When I was five.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Oh, wow. And how did it kind of like if I'm, if you're okay to answer, how did it happen?
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, I, Well, I remember I was in the hospital and. And I had actually woke up. I had a night terror. What I thought, and it was a past life dream and I had a knowing, but it didn't know the connection. And then I had a very strong connection to my imaginary friend, which was my guide, and I, and I knew that she was there. I always knew that she was there, so I was kind of like, I needed that little bit of a jolt that night. And then she was my comfort, and she actually saved me several times from a number of times of, you know, getting myself into trouble. And it was that.
Christine Rogerson:
It was then. And then you, of course, you. You life takes you away from it. And then our team is always trying to get us back there. They throw. They throw pebbles at us and we brush them off. And our ego. Our ego thinks that, well, I don't.
Christine Rogerson:
I don't need your help. I'm good. And then they throw rocks at us and we're like, excuse you, I'm. I'm good. And then they throw bricks at us, and then they drop a house on us, and it's like, okay, that's when we start to barter. I'm sorry, I'll listen. Like, please help me. And that's when, you know, you finally get to a point where it's complete surrender.
Christine Rogerson:
And I had a very near death experience about six years ago now, and that was my house burnt down, and my partner and I was like, mere minutes that we got out alive. And it was kind of like, okay, I'm yours. All right, I surrender. You win. And yeah, so I was there.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Oh, I can relate to that completely. You know, when I actually also started having the same experiences as you. But we all have our individual experiences, which are related to our souls, I believe. So everyone has something kind of like pre cooked for them. So. But the principles are pretty much the same. It's exactly what you explain that I surrender. I'm yours.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Because when I didn't surrender, I actually wanted to shut it down. I thought that I'm crazy, so I actually wanted to shut it down. Guess what happened? I stopped hearing physically. So. And it's just like, what is happening? Like, I cannot explain this. And something started happening with my brain. But once I surrendered, everything got back to normal. It's just like something within stops functioning if you don't surrender.
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely. Well, that. I mean, like over 30 years ago, when I completely opened myself up, it was actually a little. Not scary, but a little bit intimidating because I would get eyes. I would just get eyes coming in, like, really fast. And it was like, okay, you all got to stop that because I can't. I can't deal with it. And then I had to begin to, because I didn't know. We, as mediums always are in control.
Christine Rogerson:
When you think of spirit as the highest form of intelligence, the perfection of love and omnipresent then doesn't it make sense that if we say stop it, they'll stop it? But we are. We can say, okay, stop it on my terms. So when I say I'm open to receive, come in one at a time, so I'm controlling that.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I confirm it as well for all our audience in here so that we would be like one team acting here. Because. Yeah, when I was around seven, my mom, she was not prepared also for a child like me. And what happened is she wanted to put me into some psychiatry clinic and walk me there. So I was so afraid of it and I literally, like, claimed it, I declared it stop it, and then that's it. It just stopped.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So that's. That's completely what you say, one to one.
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely. Absolutely. See, I was. I had. I had a father that was a narcissist, but also had severe ptsd. So I learned very, very young, my ego self that I couldn't be responsible for somebody's pain. So I stopped. I became introverted in.
Christine Rogerson:
I wouldn't express what was going on inside. So I. The. Who was I going to tell? That's why my. My imaginary friend, my guide, I told her everything. And I think that's why my connection to my guide, my master guide is. Is so strong.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So you have that incubator period, so called.
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So that you would kind of like grow through that. It's just like that period in between the, you know, to get to the butterfly level, you have to. Have to go through that incubator period. Right. When there is traumatic experience and then you become a bird of light.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But every person's path is their own, right?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes, yes. And there is like this concoction like you, I would say the individualized cup of poison for everyone.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
The sting of the scorpio, you know?
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah. Well, it's, it's, it's funny because when I connect with past lives, I begin to see that there's a theme to your soul. So. And I'm an eight in this life, so it's all about my strength. Right. And my strength has been definitely tested over and over and over again and. But you have to know when to exert that strength and when to pull it back and sit on it for a bit and learn your lessons. And when things keep happening, that's when you're not getting the lesson.
Christine Rogerson:
You're not understanding what it is you're supposed to learn. So sometimes it takes us a little, you know, a little longer to get the Memo. But we've, we finally get there.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
That's very interesting topic which you touched regarding the strengths because that's exactly the thing what I've been struggling with and I see it in many women today because we kind of like get that strength, economical strength today. And the question is already how to balance it, how to exert it and how to pull it back, you know, in those moments because otherwise it's hurting us. So what's your story? How did you find your balance?
Christine Rogerson:
I was like I said, I, I became a people pleaser and was very, I kept my truth to myself for a very, very long time. And then again I was in a very abusive relationship and, and I honestly I, I, I thought I was going to completely break. My, my body was in acute and chronic pain. I have an autoimmune disorder that attacks my spine and it was just like I could not shoulder another moment and I knew that I had to break away. So but before that I knew that people in the community were judging me and I really had to. There's a song by Terry Clark, it says, sorry, my give a Damn is busted. Well, my give a Damn was really busted. I really had to stop putting so much value in what other people thought of me and start to believe in myself more and give myself that.
Christine Rogerson:
And it's been a struggle, like it was really a struggle. And I so, and I did so.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
What allowed you actually to pull yourself out from that people pleasing attitude?
Christine Rogerson:
So after the, after my house burned down, I finally believe it or not, this is true story. I was trying to help a friend out and I said okay, let's take some udemy classes together. And I was in a zoom room with a gentleman that, an elderly gentleman that's in New Zealand. And he looked in the camera and he pointed at me and he said you're, you're claircognizant. And I was like, oh, okay. He goes, don't you ever change what you're going to say, what you think or what you feel for anybody ever again. And I was like okay, okay. And then I thought so I had a real dialogue back and forth, back and forth.
Christine Rogerson:
And that was, that was a defining moment in my life in that it kind of just pushed me over that top where before I could do it sometimes. But this was the game changer. It was like he finally gave me the ability to give myself permission to stand up for myself and say no, no, you don't get to talk me out of how I feel, what I know and what my truth is anymore. Nobody does. And that was my line in the sand. So I firmly believe when I look back, there's moments in my life where I would hear that one defining phrase or comment that was a game changer for me that allowed me to move forward. So it's been a process. But that was the, that was the final straw and I stepped into it and that was a game changer completely for me.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
That's very powerful. I would say thank you for sharing that. You know, just to give also my few cents for that. When I also went through quite similar experience. I think all of our audience here, they, they all can get connected. I keep hearing the same type of complaints regarding the beginning of life, the pleasing experience. You know, when start pleasing all the people, our husbands, brothers, fathers, whoever they are. And just what's happening is we forget about ourselves.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Right. So everyone has their personalized experience there. So what helped me just I wanted to share because we already like talk about topic. That phrase which somehow descended here to my mind. I don't know why I allow only what I allow. So when I just heard that and I wrote it down just a few times, something magical happened. It's just like there was a burst out of energy.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
And I remember I went to the room and I just got very naked, you know, just like no, no clothing at all. I just put down the curtains. It was dark room and I just literally said it out loud. I don't know what happened. It just was something personalized for me. So girls, in case, if you hear that, it also can help.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's also. And I. There's mirror work. The Louise Hayes Good morning, I love you. I had to do it a month and I had to keep doing it where you pat yourself in the heart and just say good morning, I love you. And the reason you say it out loud is to undo the verbal assault that you have had throughout your life. So you're, you're, you're replacing that narrative within your ear.
Christine Rogerson:
Yes, Very, very important. This is very important.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Oh so damn important. It's just like, oh my God. Especially when you become really that so called clairvoyant, clairsentient and clair whatever. If you start just really connecting to your intuition, to your inner deep core, true self, what's happening is. Yeah, we kind of like start seeing all these programs within and outside, right?
Christine Rogerson:
Oh God, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I, for example, saw a program my mom with her psyche today. She never truly said that she loves me, in fact, so never ever she really could say it. She only could say it, that she loves me when I was in trouble. And then she's like, okay. And when I was not strong, but when I was strong, she never said, I love you. I don't see.
Christine Rogerson:
I have a similar experience.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
You had similar. So can you share that? I just, like, I was really, like, hearing it. She's like, she has it.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I have three older brothers and then my father. So there was, you know, and my mom was an introvert, so she didn't really say it. And she was so consumed with taking care of a very sick brother, a troubled brother, and then my dad. There was nothing left for me. I was the baby. And it wasn't until.
Christine Rogerson:
It wasn't until she was in her 70s, where I would. I, like, we would. She's my best friend. And I would start saying, I love you, Mom. I love you, I love you. And she would start. She would. Me too.
Christine Rogerson:
But then she finally started saying, I love you, but it was. It was very disconnected. And I remember when. Talk about synchronicities. This is one of those moments where I always go into the bookstore and I pick up the books that are on sale, and I. And I still have it. I have. Yeah, I picked it up.
Christine Rogerson:
A New Earth. Right.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Can you show it closer to the cam?
Christine Rogerson:
Eckhart Tolle. A New Earth.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Oh, okay. That's a very powerful.
Christine Rogerson:
So do you see my tags?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Wow.
Christine Rogerson:
That's lots of my tags. I have, like a. But so I got one for me, and then I got one from my mom, and I got one from my neighbor, and Oprah then announced A New Earth as her book club choice of it. So we all started going through it, and we had many. Aha. Moments. We had many moments of clarity. My mom was raised by an alcoholic father, and her mom, like, hired her out as a domestic by the age of 12.
Christine Rogerson:
So how did. She didn't know love, so how could she give it to me?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
That is so true. That is so true, Christine. You know why? Because that was exactly, exactly 100% same realization which I had around my mom.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
She was raised also in a very abusive family by her father, who was regularly doing physical stuff with her. And then I don't go into details, but it was not the pleasant situations. So what happened in the end is she couldn't really give that love to ours, me and my sister. So. And it's just like that, growing beyond your mom that she's so called like your creator, becoming that vision as a creative vision that she's just a Sister allows you to see so much more and forgive, and then you understand there is nothing to forgive. Right?
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely. And it's. I mean, like, her mom was the same. Like her mom was one of five sisters. Lost their parents in World War I, had to come over to Canada. The list. So. So this is a generational thing.
Christine Rogerson:
Yes, it's a generational thing of trauma to the women. And it's gotta. We've gotta be the ones that change it and alter it.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yeah. Because we either can continue that. Right. Or we can help. With me, it will stop. There is a reason why we actually become so, so much more aware with our generation about all these stuff. Can raise our voices and discuss it.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah. So I spend with a lot of my clients. I spend. I connect with. I connect with their loved ones, even the ones that cause them trauma. Because I explained to them that that's an Only an ego has a negative thought, feeling or emotion that they aren't like that over there. That they are this perfection of love and they want to bring healing and they, you know, they want forgiveness. I.
Christine Rogerson:
And I remember asking a counselor, like, like, what is forgiveness? Well, it's the act that you give yourself. I'm like, well, thanks for that. That, that helps. And I actually had to go on this exploration of understanding that, you know, And Elizabeth's smart story is a very prime example of giving that. That forgiveness where it needs to be given. It's. You allow them to stop living rent free in your head.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Oh, that is so true.
Christine Rogerson:
And there is no more emotional reaction either way. That is. That's the freedom that you get from. From releasing them.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Can I add to that as well? Because I just like what you say. I can actually demonstrate it, I think, on my white dashboard. It will be so, so good for everyone who is listening right now. Because we are all visual here, more or less. So, guys, just for you to understand what Christine is talking about here. We have our brains, right? So this is our brain. Everyone sees that. So Christine, do you see that?
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, I do.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Okay. And we have our wiring. We have our wiring. And let's say there is a wiring with your brother. It's like this. This is the wiring. So unless you actually let me just like make it even with another color. This is the wiring.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
And it disturbs you. And unless you don't really heal it. What is happening, what Christine is talking about, it's like the brain of your brother who hurt you is in here. You go continuously, guys, to his room. That's what's happening. And Then you don't have your life. And that's what Christine actually meant. Here.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I'm sorry that I stepped in. I just wanted to really show you.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, no, no, it's true. Yeah, it's true. And I mean, like, when. When you have that. And I saw the moment that my mom was able to forgive her dad. I know. And it. It gave her such a sense of peace.
Christine Rogerson:
But you also. I'm estranged from my oldest daughter. I had her when I was 16, and I gave everything to give her the life that I didn't have. And I have spent more time out of her adult life than in it because it's easier for her to blame me than to accept. I said I can't keep saying it. I'm sorry. I. I can't change the past.
Christine Rogerson:
I can only stay right here right now. And you either see the new me, the. The parts that have changed, that have healed and allowed, you know, allow me to form that relationship, but she doesn't want. So she's. She's still in that pain mode, and that's. That's on her. I can't. I'm not responsible for her thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
That is so right. And by the way, that this is a wonderful, wonderful, kind of like, subtle thing which you touched in here, because once we start our opening to that spirit coming through ours, we are always feeling sorry for all that nasty. Us, nasty behavior which we had. And everyone has that skeleton in the shelf.
Christine Rogerson:
Oh, absolutely. The thing. I always say that mediums are born from trauma, and I said that to one person and. Well, no, I'm just interested. Okay, well, you get back to me later because you're going to be triggered. That's the problem that when you are connecting, when you go out into the world and you are connecting with people, you don't know what evidence is going to come through that's going to trigger those emotions. And you cannot crumble when you are trying to bring healing to the person in front of you.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
That is so true. That is so true. I'm living with my husband, for example. He's such a beautiful soul. Like. But I observe differences. He came from a much more stable family. Yeah, family.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
And that's why he's more stable. He's like a rock. You know, I can see his psychology. He's Rocky, man. You know? And I am just, like, I came from every possible disgust, like, in my family, which could happen. Like, I know there are much worse cases. Like, the. The worst thing which didn't happen in my family.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Probably raping, but all the rest. So when we actually look at these, like, then there is no kind of, like, surprise why the personality was so unstable. And then I was thinking, why? Why it's happening to me. But then it's exactly what you mentioned. You had to go through that. So that actually relate to that. For example, my husband, he can never, ever help anyone who goes from the experience of alcoholic families. He just doesn't get it.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
No, he doesn't get all this pain. He gets it mentally, but not here.
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely. And I can, you know, like. So I have a belief, I have a hypothesis that those of us who have had parents or grandparents that have served in the military, that have fought wars, they came back to us broken. Those who don't, like my partner, his father never went to war. I don't even think his grandfather went to war. So he has no. He can't even grasp the impact that it had on us. Like, I have military PTSD by proxy because of my father's military ptsd.
Christine Rogerson:
And when you have all of these people coming back broken, drinking to escape the horrors that are behind their eyes, what happens is that it changes us as empaths. So I, too, have a partner who I believe he's on the spectrum. He has a. I always call it his nothing box. He has a huge nothing box. I don't know how he does it, but he can shut his brain off. And it's like, okay, you got to show me how you do that, because I need to do that. Yes.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
And that's exactly. That's exactly what I am really wondering. How do you do that? Going below that, 30 hertz. So how do you do that, actually?
Christine Rogerson:
So here's. Here's my. Here's my. My technique. You know, we learn to meditate, to help center ourselves and to bring us quiet the minds after. After the fire, my. My. My youngest suggested the muse had been where you listen to.
Christine Rogerson:
You have a headband that monitors your brain waves. You listen to, like, a thunderstorm. And the more active your brain is, the louder the sound goes. But the object is to bring it down to quiet. And a little bird will chirp a lot of, like, birds. So it's like, there's a bird. I'm like, now I got to do it again. So.
Christine Rogerson:
So then I came. I thought, okay, I can't use this. I've got to use something. Your breath. One single breath. And I always remember I injured my hand. And a doctor said. Because I said, how come it hurts so much? He said, your hand feels and I'm like, okay, so when you put your fingers to your mouth, you can actually feel your breath on your fingertips.
Christine Rogerson:
So just focus on that breath touching your fingertips. And eventually what happens is that when you stay there, you do this. I call it the baby breath, where you go and. And you bring your awareness down to your chest. Your lungs. Your lungs just expanded. You realize that, oh, my God, I've been shallow breathing and oh, my God, I can. I'm expanding my lungs.
Christine Rogerson:
So your focus is here now. I used to be a lab technician, so I've seen the red blood cell underneath the microscope. And you can look it up on YouTube. Your red blood cell is perfect. The science behind it is perfect. Because here's your oxygen molecule, your red blood cell. The oxygen molecule goes in and attaches to the part that makes it red. That's the heme.
Christine Rogerson:
So now that red blood cell is going to travel through your body, connecting with every single cell in your body. Now watch a tree or watch a plant. I have a beautiful Peace Lily. So when I'm breathing, I'm looking at my Peace Lily and I'm giving to her as she gives to me. I give to her as she gives to me. So just with your breath, stay with your breath. I'm down below 13 hertz now. Because there's no thought when you focus on your breath.
Christine Rogerson:
Your conscious mind cannot interrupt with thoughts.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
This is very, very powerful, Christine. It is. So it's bringing us back to all the ancient wisdom of Indians, by the way. All these pranayamas.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Because it's again, just all those Indians, they're so amazing. My just husband started playing chess. I was thinking it's invented in China, but it's also invented in India. Can you imagine? From India?
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah. So it's, I mean, like as simple as literally focusing. Focus on your breath here and if you connect it with a tree. Because remember, one breath connects you with every living thing on this planet.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Oh, this is very powerful. You know, it brings me to astrological understanding, Vedic understanding of our body, because based on it, kind of like our heart is represented by the sun. So what you say is that in fact the central celestial body in our galaxy, right. It's the sun. And then if all these is coming through the breath, you cleanse yourself through the breath. And these, all our lawns are around the heart. And it's all about this pumping in, pumping out.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Kind of like share that love with everyone through our celestial body here.
Christine Rogerson:
Unless the seed of the soul is behind your heart. Right. The seed of the soul. So. So I have another hypothesis. Everyone is always looking for their soulmate. It's like, you don't want to find your soul mate. It's like, wait a second.
Christine Rogerson:
What if your soul is your soulmate? Your ego is here, your soul is here. And it's about learning to find a balance between ego self, which is edging God or greatness out, and soul self. Your soulmate is your soul. So it's connecting. It's marrying your ego with your soul.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
And that's where transformation comes, right?
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I think in some sense, we all own that transformation to that ego, which we have. Because ego here, you know, when I'm looking around at everyone, including myself here and there, we are kind of triggered, right? We triggered and saying that, hey, I'm not triggered. I'm like a rock. It's. We will look at it, right?
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So. And then when you see what's happening, it's kind of like healing ourselves from that ill ego transform and helping others as well, being compassionate to others with their ill egos. Because all the problems are coming from those seven sins which are mentioned in the Bible.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, yeah. Well, I was, you know, so. So if your ego is over here, I would say it's the little devil on your shoulder, and. And in comes fear. So only the ego knows a negative thought, feeling, or emotion.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Oh, yeah.
Christine Rogerson:
So we use our ego to. To ignite fear, and fear is false ego appearing real. So when you understand that all fear is. Is another word for not being able to trust yourself to deal with whatever outcome comes your way.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Mm, that's very, very interesting thought, because it can bring that firm foundation to many believe. So trust in yourself.
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely. So mediumship is all about learning to trust that I'm gonna. I can get it wrong, and I'm okay with that. And. But learning that my interpretation and the way that I deliver it is I have to trust that that's what I'm getting. So I give it, right?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes.
Christine Rogerson:
If you. If. If you say, no, I can't take that, then I'm going to go back and say, okay, what does this mean to me? And sometimes it's very simple that we. But our ego wants to overcomplicate it. So this is the greatest issue with when you're learning evidential mediumship, because you keep bopping up above 13 hertz, and it's like there's a simple mechanic to bring you back down. Just breathe, focus on your breath. Bring yourself back down. And then.
Christine Rogerson:
What is it?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Mm, that's interesting. Christine. I have a question. Most of my people, actually, they are very interested in Tarot, and I know that you are also a tarot cards reader and an oracle. What do you kind of like, think about cards, about Tarot cards? How do you use them in your practice? And maybe like a few tips to those Tarot beginners who want to master them. That would be really interesting to learn.
Christine Rogerson:
So I, I started out with, with a. A James Van Prague deck and the Souls Journey. So the way that I primarily use it now is that because we're visual, I will use the cards And I use four decks, because four decks, that's over 200 cards for them to all say the same thing. It's like spirit going, can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? So when you're using cards, it's just another divination tool to give you an interpretation. People tend to want to read books, and it's better for you to look at the card and what does the card mean to you? So that's intuitive reading of the card. And I'm all for that. That's how I started where I pulled a card a day. Every day I pulled a card.
Christine Rogerson:
And sometimes I would understand it. I used to always do a zodiac read, and I would use a book to help me interpret the cards. I would pull certain aspects of the card. And I remember, like, I did this every New Year's Eve for years. Years, years. I think this year was actually the first time I didn't do it. And it, it was surprising. I didn't always go back and read it for that month.
Christine Rogerson:
I would read it at the end of the month. And even the year, the month that my mom passed away and I lost my dog two weeks later, my card told me I was going to lose a loved one and possibly a pet. So there's, there is, There is proof in the. The divination of the cards. It's what you get out of it. And again, you're doing yourself a disservice of just starting out by reading everybody else's interpretation. Start by reading your interpretation of what the card tells you.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes, I actually can completely relate to that because when I started more than 10 years ago, all these practice, I started like, you know, like I was a perfect student. I really wanted to learn and everything. And I was reading lots of books, lots of interpretations. But then I came to the point I actually cannot read. I was in my head all the freaking time. So it took me lots of time to unlearn all these memory, because if you are here, guys, you are not here. And the whole thing about terror, it's exactly like Christine is saying. You actually want to connect to your intuition.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
You want to connect to your heart. And just like. And listen to Christine also. She's another practicing teacher in that. So I just wanted actually to hear that from you because I was, I was sure you will tell me something about that intuitive tarot reading.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Intuitively reading the cards. I watched three ladies one time who said they were intuitives and they proceeded to open the book and read from the book. And I'm like, but that's not intuitive. You do understand what intuitive means, right?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes.
Christine Rogerson:
Read the card. Yeah. And then you have to understand how it, how it pertains to the situation, the querent and the question and how to move forward. So that's, that's the approach that I take. I, I try to use it more as a visual tool at the end, now.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Do you use it just to. Not only as a divination tool, but as a tool to figure out like more what is happening inside you, like with a specific situation. Like a self reflection tool?
Christine Rogerson:
Not, not so much anymore. Like I said, I'm. I go direct to spirit. So what happens is if spirit is talking about, let's say spirit, if I'm connecting with your mom, let's, let's just say, and she's talking about not always getting it right, that she accepts ownership for her choices. And there's a reference to certain situations where she made, she did the best that she could. And then I'm pulling cards and the card is coming up choices and empathy, having an understanding that you know, in the moment, if she had known better, she could have done better. But the lesson is that her message in the cards is coming to you to say, you know, you've risen far above the lessons that she had learned and anything that she could have taught you. So by not teaching you what she could have or should have, you actually far exceeded that because.
Christine Rogerson:
And that's the reference to the cards.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
So kind of like to get a bit more precise perspective on that.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah, yeah. Because spirit will always.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
It's like that, that tool which allows you to see deeper.
Christine Rogerson:
Yeah. So it's, that's why I always say it's not about what you want to hear, it's about what they want you to hear. And sometimes they know. Yeah.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
It's not the answers what you need what you want to hear, it's the answers what you need to hear.
Christine Rogerson:
Exactly.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Right.
Christine Rogerson:
And you know, like I I had a woman, and I'm connecting with her mom and, you know, and she's. She says. I said, well, you know, you know, you have like. She wasn't. She wasn't happy with what I was saying at first. And I said, yeah, but you understand that you are reactionary, not action based. And she was like, well, what do you mean? And I. So I went through the read and I.
Christine Rogerson:
I gave her the evidence and I said, so you know you have ptsd, right? Well, I know from my husband having five affairs. And I'm like. So when I said, he's a narcissist, you said, no, I don't think so. And I'm like, how do you figure? And I said, why is it that it's okay with you to lower your standard enough that he can have five affairs? Do you not love yourself enough that once is one time too many?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes.
Christine Rogerson:
So do you see what your mom was trying to tell you that you were worth so much more than what you value yourself?
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
This is very, very powerful. And we often lower standards and higher standards. It's all about.
Christine Rogerson:
Well, we operate out of guilt, right? And that's where I told you. I always say that guilt implies intent to cause harm. And when I. When I say that to somebody, I explain that you know your heart and you know the intention behind your actions, but the person that you're earning is yourself. And you don't deserve to hurt yourself like that. You deserve to love yourself in that place.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes, we all need to come back to that love. So, Christine, that was a fascinating talk, but before we finish, I am really intrigued to ask you that question. Because every person who comes to my show, I usually ask them to give some kind of piece of advice which will work for those who are listening to ours. But today I want to ask a specific question. Not just a general piece of advice, but how to come back to that self love out of that guilt. What would you recommend?
Christine Rogerson:
So I believe. I believe several things that do help. I always suggest binaural beats for self love. Binaural beats to heal your inner child. On YouTube, you can find them. People don't tend to use them correctly. You need to use headphones. Do it at bedtime or when you can be consistent.
Christine Rogerson:
Minimum half hour for two to three weeks. They do work. It's a slow reprogramming of the mind. You have to understand.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
I'm sorry, do you have a specific channel which you can recommend? Maybe?
Christine Rogerson:
There's a list of them. So it's. It's preference. So it's, it's, you've got to go through and find one that you like and then go with it. You can mix them up. It's the hertz that you're listening to. So the one thing that I always say is that you, you, most people, most empaths, their five year old, four or five year old self created a job to protect yourself.
Christine Rogerson:
So when you start, first of all, look up tips and tricks on how to be an empath and how to stop ruminating because the hamster on the wheel in your head has got to stop. And when you start deploying the techniques, you have to understand that that little child that created the job to protect you, to be that people pleaser, she's got a job to do and she's over here and she's going to get a little loud. So when you say to yourself, okay, I'm going to stand behind my decision and I'm going to do this. And she's going to go, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. Remember, remember when we do this, we always get in trouble. You're gonna go, no, no, I got it, I got it. You sit in the timeout chair.
Christine Rogerson:
And I would literally say, my, my human is having an experience. I was gonna put her over here for a second. Just chill for a moment. I'm just gonna breathe and just take that breath and reconnect with Mother Earth. Reconnect with your breath. She will silence down. It takes 21 days to change a behavior, 28 to implement a new behavior. So you really have to acknowledge that inner child that is she.
Christine Rogerson:
You have to understand that they don't understand where you are in life until you, until you start telling them. And what happens is that battle, that tug of war, that power struggle starts to lessen and she begins to relax because she doesn't even know how to play.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes.
Christine Rogerson:
So go. I always say, go buy yourself a toy that you never got as child. Take it out of the package and play with it. Absolutely. I'm the biggest child and I always say, go get bubbles, crayons, whatever it is that allows you to play and be playful.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Yes, yes. And she's so powerful. She's so powerful. It's really unleashing that within, that power within which Tony Robbins is talking, but in our feminine way.
Christine Rogerson:
Absolutely, absolutely. And when, when you keep telling her, I love you, I love you, I love you. Your pain has been your greatest teacher. And it would be a shame not to acknowledge your pain because it's your pain that made you who you are, who brought you to where you are and made you who you are.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Powerful.
Christine Rogerson:
So acknowledge it, Bless it. And give and give grace to it. Seriosly.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
This is fascinating. I want to acknowledge your presence. Today I am just feeling honored, cherished. I feel like I have some openings in my mind. I think everyone here can get connected to that. Thank you so much for your divine, beautiful presence.
Christine Rogerson:
My pleasure. Truly a pleasure to be with you.
Yulia (Creator of the Tridevia Tarot Deck):
Thank you.